Category: Let's talk
Hi all,
I am curious to know, in your oppinion, what would make someone worthy of being banned from the Zone.
I could give you scinareos for you to agree too or disagree, but I feel that, to do that, would be unfair because your oppinion would be being lead by myself.
Should there be a time when people get banned? What should someone have had to have done to get to the point where they are removed from the site?
How many chances should people get, and chances for what? What is worthy of a warning, a second chance, a ban?
Maybe once we have a view answers, if people choose to answer, I will then give you my scinareo? I don't want to do that right away, so that you can agree because that is the socially acceptible norm.
Danielle
I think that if the person is constantly harrassing users of the site, and has gotten a second chance and continues to do it, they should get a perminent banning.
ok. Is that the only time you think that banning should be appropriate? Or are their any other situations?
Well we also have the issue of offendeng someone, but it's hard to bann someone on that criteria alone because what's offensive to someone might be hillarious to someone else.
As far as I'm concerned, the only thing a user should be banned for is breaking any of the terms of service, although I know that's not always clear-cut. Offending people is an issue, but depending on what it is, it can be sorted out by using the ignore feature - in many cases that is better than just banning any person who says something that might offend someone else. As far as chances go, I suppose second chances should be given for most things, but no more than that. If a person doesn't learn the first time then they probably won't.
agree; breaking of the TOS is definitely about the only reason around here.
If something happened Dan and you feel it was inappropriate, talk to an admin if they will listen.
*offends everyone*
I think the Terms of Service are the only indicators of whethder someone should be banned from this site or not. I'd personally love to ban all users who use the randomizer more than twice a day, because it makes for such outrageously stupid and annoying conversations, but that is just how I feel and I am not saying that is remotely a justified opinion or feeling, the only opinion that matters is that off the people in charge of the site and the values they follow and what kind of site they want to host.
I've lost touch with the site, somewhat, lately, and feel it is less interesting, but perhaps I have just moved on or don't get to know the new users so the blame may lie with me rather than the site.
lol to the comment about the randomiser and anoying conversation, goes together perfictly!.
as for me, i agree with everyone that said the terms.
personally, i'd like to ban all the people that insist in putting the game topics at the top, but that's just me.
awe yes, the tos,
When I moderate a site, I only ban people if they are bullying intimidating or behaving aggressively towards other users. They may be warned first, depending on the nature of what they are doing.
This site should adopt a similar approach.
Bullying is all on interpretation. I rather like our policy of not being your parents. Only in a virtual world of bullshit can people be banned for such nonsense. Other than breaking the T.o.s, I see no reason for banning. Afterall, that's the entire purpose of the Terms of Service to begin with. If you instituted such a policy, which you apparently already have, I'll bet you get very few users on your site. I'm not sure who would want to join such a bore fest anyway.
Lol. Bore fest indeed. Definitely agreeon the idea of banning those that violatethe Terms Of Service. Maybe 1 or 2 warnings, but after that, you're history.
*bans everyone, everywhere!*
Ok,
So what if, let's say, you know of a certain individual, an adult, who has admitted trying to have phone sex with people under the age of 14? And I don't mean fourteen year olds etc who are classed as being streetwise either. I mean young teenagers, who quite frankly, are naive enough to not understand that they are being manipulated. Kids who do not realise that what is happening is necessarily wrong.
Say this person has admitted doing such a thing twice before and they know that it is wrong and they say that they will never do it again, but then, a week later, low and behold, such inappropriate advances are whitnessed on a voice chat server?
Would it not be up to the site owner/community leaders, to take some kind of stand against such a user?
No, we are noone's parents, but would it not be fair to say that, by having such a site on the internet, and by promoting a community, it is our responsibility to look out for the younger members we welcome on here, and make sure that such people, if found to be doing such things elsewhere, are not allowed to integrate with children or vulnerable people?
As parents, which I know some of you are, how would you feel if such people were known to be around your children while they are online?
Is it up to parents to take responsibility for educating their children better? Or do we all have some kind of duty of care for the people we allow to be around us by being co-members of such a site?
I am sure, no doubt, that some of you know exactly what I am referring to, but no names are being mentioned because I am merely asking a question.
I am not asking for open warfare, or any kind of slanging match, I merely want to know what you all think, and I don't mean I want you to tell me the socially acceptible answer. I want your oppinions.
I have spoken with Chris N. I have told him that I wish to pose this question, and he agreed that it would be ok to do so. Please don't turn this topic in to a hate stream. That's not what it's for.
Should such a person be banned?
I don't know or need to know the exact situation, but here you are speaking of a legal issue in most countries; advancement of a sexual nature against a minor is a federal crime in most countries, and probably an admin would be liable to the authorities under such a circumstance. That's assuming they know; just because activity happens on a server doesn't imply the admin knows about it. But such activity could be subpoenaed, thus making the ban question relatively fruitless, e.g. the person would end up in jail. Fairly large players including Craigslist have been subpoenaed for data in similar cases. That would then no longer be a free speech issue. Until you mentioned this, I had nothing to say on this topic but here, as you say, some of us are parents. And that being parents of teens. Data would demonstrate whether something did in fact transpire; drama would cheapen the situation and likely allow a wizened perp to get away with it / cheapen the victim's experience.
Ok, well said instance did not occur on the zone. Certainly not, yet, as far as I know. But it definitely has the potential too. So where do we all go from there?
*bans you guys for making extremely long posts*
:)
I think it is the parents responsibility to teach their child safe habits online, and about social good and bad. Candy is bad for the teeth, so if an adult sales a child to much are they at fault? I have noted teens asking sexual provocative questions on here, so is it wrong for an adult to answer back frankly? No crime is done by talking, so if a teen is not toughed then it is legal no matter how we feell about it. That should not be a banning problem. If a parent allows the teen online, then that teen will be exposed to lots of things.
I believe this is already covered under the T.O.S where it talks about advocating illegal acts. But if the activity takes place off of the website, it's not our responsibility to act on it.
Such issues should fall to the parents. While I do understand that parents cannot monitor there child/children at all times, this seems enough of a serious issue, that such parental supervision should take place.
the zone staff has enough to deal with on the zone. lol they sure don't need to worry about what could happen. I mean if you saying it could happen, well there's alot of what if's. It's all hear say anyway. So are you asking that the zone start doing a background check on every new member of the zone? because this is what it would come down to. the zoen staff isn't our parents, nor do they wish to be. It's up to the parents to keep an eye out so to speak on there kids and the net! yes it is nasty for someone older to be talking nasty with a young kid. I don't agree with it at all. I could see if they were caught and warned and caught again, by being caught i mean by someone on staff or somehow that it's not just hear say then that could possible be a ban. it just depends if there is something in the tos . I'm not sure if there is or not! but yeah. i don't think your situation should warnt a banning!
and by you i mean you in general.
Bullying, being aggressive towards other users, and intimidating people is not "such nonsense". It is a serious matter which can cause people emotional harm.
Preventing bullying doesn't result in a borefest. It is not normal to feel bored because you cannot bully or intimidate people you haven't met on a website.
One day websites that allow cyberbullying to go on will risk serious legal consequences. It is only a matter of time before that happens.
I really disagree. Before legal change comes society change will have to come, then laws will have to be changed, and not in my lifetime. *smile* If this situation has happened to the poster, why was not the tools put in place here used to keep it from continuing? Or simply ignoring it, and I mean mentally? No I don't agree with it, in fact I don't think anyone young or old should be subjected to sexual harassment of any kind, but there has to be some responsibility on the victums part specially when you are speaking of online, and simply blocking a person does the trick. Parents really need to talk about online safety to people at a tender age, just like other hazards are explained, but otherwise web sites have no place trying to do it. What if an administor decided she or he doesn't like discussions about femaile issues that are possitive? I amire this site, and any other that takes the view it does.
Peace.
As I said already, it happens everywhere, and the internet is no acception. Sure, some people probably do kill themselves based on some stupid stuff people say to them online, but I'm confident that this would only be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back. In other words, cyber bullying is just another factorr that would push someone over the edge. At least on here and in other such websites, you have the ability to ignore people if you so choose. If you don't utilize these features,, well, tough shit. That's your own stupidity.
I am one of those stricter folks, you would call a bore. I think a website is private property to some degree and you do have the right to set down some rules. So, I do. And I say too much bully are a bannable offense on my sites.
Sugar, I don’t have enough information to tell you. First of all how old is this person? And is it consentual or not?
If that person is over eighteen, then it doesn’t matter if it’s concentual or not. He’ll get ban. If it was, the other will get ban for desiring to be involved in a criminal act. If the person is under age, and it was not concentual, then He’ll get banned, because he forced it on her with out concent. If it’s concentual, then, yes, I’d not ban them, I’d just request that take the sex action off my survers or go private.
Oh wow, this topic is surprisingly relevant seeing as i've just returned after a 2 week ban. I have my opinions about what happened, but it's done now and i'm happy to draw a line under the whole thing (while i'm not discussing the reason behind the ban on here, I will mention that it had nothing to do with the abuse, hacking, gangs etc).
Basically, I agree that a user should only get banned if they break the TOS. Perhaps it should work like this (not sure if this is how it's done already, but here goes):
First violation: If this is the first time the user has violated the TOS and it's not a really serious violation, then a warning should be given and a note should be placed on the user's account record in case further violations occur. If the user stops violating the TOS, then no further action will be taken.
Second violation: If, after being warned, a user continues to violate the TOS, then they will be issued with a temporary ban (unless they commit a very serious violation). This ban would be 1 to 2 weeks depending on the circumstances.
Third violation: If, after being temporarily banned, the user returns and commits another offense, then they will be permanently banned!
Exceptions: There are 2 exceptions to these rules:
1. If a user is actually committing an illegal act such as issuing threats to kill people, hacking, etc, then that user should be permanently banned without warning.
2. If the account in question is a duplicate account or an account set up by a previously banned member, then the account should be permanently disabled. If a user is on a temporary banning and creates a new account in an attempt to get back, both accounts should be permanently disabled without warning.
As for the TOs itself, I think it could do with a review as some of it's content is slightly unclear (section 4 and 5 especially). Although as part of section 4 it says that harassment of a user that has you on ignore is a violation, it does not state that any other parts of sections 4 or 5 require you to first put them on ignore. Also, and you probably know what i'm about to say: I think the way cyber bullying is dealt with needs to be reviewed. What I will say though is that the TOS are actually written in a way you can understand, not like other sites.
Remember, as always, these are my personal opinions; you don't have to agree with me! However, can I ask that you use the ignore button if you don't agree rather than going on about how i'm a waste of oxygen and all that crap?
Thanks, and merry christmas!
To Post 26 I will only say this: a bully should only put out if he can take it, as if the victim is a minor, perhaps a father or a brother, may show up; in my experience, bullies tend to cry foul when confronted like that: especially those who pick on girls. So in summation, they may have a right to act that way, but that same right applies to anyone wishing to respond in reprisal and with equal immunity. Trouble for some folks is, it works both ways ... and defense when carried out properly has the upper hand.
I agree the professional as my friend I acquainted on here is banned for two weeks for a silly reason. Anyways, I may have him post here in person if he's willing. However, that is how I deal with things too professional. I ran sites before and yes, I run things that way as well.
I have a question... should people be banned for talking about computer programming on public quicknotes?
As long as they are not discussing programming that could assist in carrying out illegal acts, then in my opinion it's ok.
i think the t o s need to be adeahred to in all cases where bans are concerned, set the offence against the t o s and see if it fits for a ban, if it doesn't, don't ban. it's technically a legal agreement, and legal standards of judgement should be adhered to.